I bet they all had their little red beanies on too

From the WSJ---minutes ago:

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The U.S. Justice Department charged six people in an alleged plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Thursday.

The complaint alleges the conspirators, five of whom are from Michigan and one from Delaware, had conducted surveillance on the summer home of the Democratic governor at least twice in preparation for their attack.

Their goal was to “try” Ms. Whitmer for treason and the suspects planned to carry out the plan before the presidential election in November, the complaint said.

Federal officials said in the complaint that they became aware of the group early this year, when some members began discussing overthrowing elements of the government and attacking law-enforcement personnel.

The complaint says the case is built on cooperating informants, undercover agents and recorded texts, online chats and phone calls.

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Anyone else wondering if trump is considering pardons :shrug:

This gets worse--this from the NYT:

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The state charged an additional seven men, all from Michigan, with providing material support for terrorist activities, being members of a gang and using firearms while committing felonies. The men were said to be affiliated with the Wolverine Watchmen, an extremist group, and have been charged with state crimes, which carry penalties of two to 20 years in prison.

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I won't even post much of that article!

I find it amazing they can infiltrate militias, but seemingly cannot infiltrate Antifa.

Not sure understanding it all, but somehow its Trump's fault.

Do we really need this?

...and to add fuel to the insanity:

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In April, President Trump tweeted, “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

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Originally Posted by Dave Grubb

Do we really need this?

...and to add fuel to the insanity:

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And how is this worse than a President telling his supporters to go out and get up in someone's grill?

This mornings NYT briefing spent some time on this. They pointed out that domestic terrorism is a problem of both the left and right, but then went on to clarify that it is a much bigger problem for the right.

They then went on to throw up stat's like "38 of 42.....", and listed all the times that right wing nut jobs attacked peaceful protesters.

They finished up by saying that each side must condem their own so that we can be healed. No mention of BLM or Portland as you would predict if you weren't blinded by bias.

The bull$hit is so pervasive that only nut jobs are paying attention any more.

Rather than doing a drive by on that piece let's let everyone see the full piece and come to their own conclusions:

From the Daily Briefing in the NYT:

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Three years ago, the polling firm YouGov asked Americans whether they thought it could ever be justified for their political party to use violence to advance its goals. The overwhelming response was no. Only 8 percent of people said anything other than “never.”

This year, YouGov asked the same question — and the share saying that political violence could be somewhat justified roughly doubled. The increase spanned both Democratic and Republican respondents.

I thought of that alarming finding yesterday, after law enforcement officials charged 13 men with a violent plot that included storming the Michigan State Capitol and kidnapping Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. Conservative groups have criticized Whitmer for her attempts to control the coronavirus by restricting normal activities. In April, President Trump tweeted, “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

Yesterday’s arrests are the latest evidence that a small but meaningful number of Americans believe that violence is the only answer to the country’s political divisions. “We’re seeing more and more citizens expressing openness to violence as more and more partisan leaders engage in the kinds of dehumanizing rhetoric that paves the way for taking violent action,” Lee Drutman, one of the political scientists who oversaw the YouGov poll, told me.

Since May, more than 50 people have driven vehicles into peaceful protesters. Armed protesters shut down the Michigan legislature in May. Armed groups on the left and right have done battle in Oregon and Wisconsin. Extremists have attacked journalists, including an instance in Brooklyn on Wednesday night.

“Political violence in democracies often seems spontaneous: an angry mob launching a pogrom, a lone shooter assassinating a president,” Rachel Kleinfeld of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace recently wrote in The Washington Post. “But in fact, the crisis has usually been building for years.” She added, “This is where America is now.”

It’s important to note that the problem is bipartisan — and also that it is not equally bad on both sides: The American right today has a bigger violence problem than the American left. Of the 42 killings by political extremists last year, right-wing extremists committed 38, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

And top Republican politicians have encouraged violence in ways no prominent Democrat has. Greg Gianforte, a Republican congressman now running to be Montana’s governor, pleaded guilty to assaulting a reporter who asked a question he didn’t like in 2017.

Trump, for his part, has encouraged violence against protesters at his rallies and has often refused to condemn violent white-supremacist groups, including during last week’s debate. Whitmer, speaking after the arrests yesterday, cited that debate: “Hate groups heard the president’s words not as a rebuke, but as a rallying cry, a call to action,” she said.

Political scientists emphasize that the drift toward violence is not inevitable. When political leaders denounce violence, it often influences public opinion, research suggests. These denouncements are especially effective when leaders — or individuals — criticize their own side for engaging in violence. Condemning the other side is easy.

“Outbreaks of political violence are a real threat,” Brendan Nyhan, a government professor at Dartmouth, has written. “Every person of good faith in either party must speak up.”

For more on Michigan: The Detroit News reported that some of the plot’s conspirators met during a Second Amendment rally at the Michigan State Capitol in June. And one expert told The Detroit Free Press that Michigan “has always been a hotbed for militia activity.”

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Turns out they hate MAGA and cops. The head of the group arrested is on video hating on Trump as a tyrant...with a Anarchist flag in the background.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...gratitude.html

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/10...wingers-982312

Well don't tell trump, he says they are very good people. No need to risk more confusion in his current state.

Repeating a blood lie is your thing now, Dave?
You do realize it was his FBI that infiltrated and his DOJ that infiltrated and is prosecuting these creeps, right?

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Originally Posted by wacojoe

Turns out they hate MAGA and cops. The head of the group arrested is on video hating on Trump as a tyrant...with a Anarchist flag in the background.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...gratitude.html

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/10...wingers-982312

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Love how Joe's Stinker piece starts, "Michigan's leftist governor,'.

Not to throw out a better description is like throwing red meat for the right.

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Originally Posted by wacojoe

Repeating a blood lie is your thing now, Dave?
You do realize it was his FBI that infiltrated and his DOJ that infiltrated and is prosecuting these creeps, right?

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Really Joe---they did it without any discussion with trump---they aren't that stupid. It also shows they are not nearly as inept as trump paints them to be.

Tell me again that story about the deep state.

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Originally Posted by wacojoe

Turns out they hate MAGA and cops. The head of the group arrested is on video hating on Trump as a tyrant...with a Anarchist flag in the background.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...gratitude.html

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/10...wingers-982312

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You might want to take a closer look at that Joe---only one seems to have been talking smack about trump.