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I don't have a solution but 3 years ago these were not there. today everywhere you go there they are It turns your stomach to see folks existing this way
spent most of my day in Oakland in neighborhoods like this MLK and 23rd, actually this was one of the nicer cleaner encampments.
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...2f&oe=5D7EDA9B
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...65&oe=5D94623E
Build it (inviting welfare system) and they will come.
I don't believe that is the case here. The tech boom and high salaries have made for historically low end low income areas of the east bay to become easy pickings for the highly paid techies to swoop in and buy up and upscale the neighborhoods. Leaving the low income literally out in the cold. Service workers, teachers, Firemen and Police can no longer afford to live in San Francisco, San Jose or many east bay cities. forget fast food or janitorial staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacojoe
I give you Seattle... My Brother lives in down town and it is getting bad enough that he has moved his recording studio to Belligham... And is now thinking about moving it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw
Those homeless tents are much nicer then we had for camping trips back in those years.
I don't know how anybody can afford to live in the land of fruits and nuts, maybe I'd better say on the west coast.. It doesn't mean you are now allowed to trash the city and break the law. They must be mostly white, black folk would all be in jail.
I'm with Joe, Build it and they will come! If they allow it what else can you expect. Be nice and leave a notice, as of 6-15_19 or what ever date the city will enforce its vacancy, littering and loitering laws. Camping permits can be bought at most state parks it is against the law to camp in the city.
I wonder just where the go for relief and just how do they eat ?
They wear out the business's asking to use their bathrooms or the fast food places I guess you can just walk in and do what you need to. The churches and other groups feed the homeless here but you have to go get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Independent Voter
Oakland at least gave them some dignity. Porta potties and dumpsters plus that was cheaper than cleaning up the alternative. Some folks scrounge for food others have jobs but they cannot afford the high rents of the bay area on minimum wage jobs. Hell there are Google employees that are living in RVs in parking lots because even they can't afford the rents out here. You build a company like Apple and its new 50,000 employee HQ. those folks make $$$ and they push out the lower income folks. pure capitalism by the landlords. rent or sell to the highest bidder
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Originally Posted by wacojoe
Really?
So then, the cure is to cut them off from welfare?
I'm sure that would work out.
:confuse: Yep that is what this country runs on. If Apple were to give an across the board pay raise the only thing you'd have is nicer tents. Every city in every state has the same problem, poor people, disabled, drug addicts, drunks, freeloaders. Every state has it's projects and, it's welfare with housing and food allowances. Everybody still whines, everyone still wants more. We are a nation of laws! How many times have I heard that? Now though we're forcing people like Phillbos brother to pack up and leave. The ones that are doing the right thing get punished because we don't enforce our laws. You can't have a random set of people that make their own laws. Raise your taxes and build everyone their own home, then raise your taxes again to pay their electric and water and food. I guess at some point we'll have to buy them a car too. Anybody you did that for, I guarantee it wouldn't be enough.Quote:
pure capitalism by the landlords. rent or sell to the highest bidder
There was a thread back a month or so ago about people from all over the country pulling up roots and moving to Portland. I don't know the answer but it won't get better allowing people to do whatever they want as far as housing goes.
Make it less inviting and the druggies, mental cases and free-lunch types will largely go to the next best place. Won’t make any fewer (they will always be with us), but will lesson numbers of the ones moving in on you. California coddles ‘em, so that got a lot of ‘em. In Texas, we don’t, so we ain’t. What you pay well for you get more of — it’s an economic axiom.
I’ll have to admit California’s fine weather in many places is also an extra added attraction. Not even druggies and the insane want to spend summers under a Texas bridge.
Example of California molly-coddling homeless encampments —
Note Los Angeles is negotiating with homeless hoards on how much trash the city can remove and paying huge settlements to them! This is insane and is an example of “building it so they can come.”
http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/h...5105a99c7.html
Some folks need more help than is available, be it mental, drug or other issues that we wish or want to just go away. Not to be seen by the majority of us so they congregate where they can.
As an example we had to send our boy out to fend for himself. Turned from just a kid to a heavy drug user for pain. Mostly it is a mental issue but he refused to get help even when it was available. The last straw was when after my knee surgery he hit me. Called the police and they booked him and released him. To this day we don't know where he is or how he is surviving. The bad part we both wanted him to get the mental help yet he refused.
I just finished watching that video, everybody ought to. My take on it and this whole situation is that we need compassion. Not compassion that allows these people to live in filth and poverty strung out on drugs. We need to enforce our laws first, get these people to a place or into a situation that allows us to help them. One part of the video calls the problem a drug problem not a homeless problem. In the video they highlighted Rhode Island and their way of dealing with it. The answers are out there we just need the compassion to find the solution and use them. One girl who lives in a tent city says that 100% of her neighbors have some level of addiction. Another survey of cops is eye opening also, 82% of people arrested for drugs are not ever put through the system none spend even a day in jail, the cops have quit putting themselves in harms way. I could go on but better that you watch the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillbo
Here is how it's done in Texas
That same process is being done in numerous cities, including Philadelphia and NYC.
From your link:
It is easy to condemn these people and walk away----but they are not human trash---they are troubled humans and deserve to be treated with compassion and respect.Quote:
According to a recent post on the office's Facebook page, the sheriff's office homeless outreach team offered assistance to homeless people while cleanup crews swept away trash with brooms and front loaders.
Seattle might learn this lesson some day.
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This is a peek into what Philadelphia is doing. NYC has a similar program. They aren't perfect, but they are trying.
Seattle isn't doing it your way so they are uncaring. The reason their are so many homeless there is because of all that Seattle does for them. Trouble is the Dems think that coddling them is the right thing to do. The city's offering treatment and job training aren't right either according to some. The drunks and the druggies need to start working a little harder at it also. Oh wait, sorry it's not PC to put the blame where it belongs.Quote:
It is easy to condemn these people and walk away----but they are not human trash---they are troubled humans and deserve to be treated with compassion and respect.
Seattle might learn this lesson some day.
Compassion maybe but not respect. That is earned.
In the good old days we would have locked up the crazies and criminals (you are delusional if you dont agree that this is a large segment of their population). We taxpayers paid for the facilities and the social infrastructure over and over again. But now we only have room for pop culture pimps and the occasional russian colluder in our prisons. There is hardly room for the murderers so we will soon be asked to pay again.
Bullchit. I'm tired of being panhandled by these people*. Lock em up or clean em up I say.:jawdrop: Or send them to California :love:
*We have a family of panhandlers I'm particularly interested in. Man, woman, 3 kids. A mini van and an explorer. They sleep in the parks and Walmart parking lots and every day they all drag their suitcases out on the street. They stay in each town for a week or so (depending on weather) and then its on to the next. When we would travel around to wrestling tournaments we would see them everywhere in Colorado. Sad I agree, but they refused help. They were well known to the leo's (recall that my father in law has been the chief here for 35 years).
I do not argue that respect must be earned, but a little "gift" at the outset can go along way. I have a friend that often says: "you get back what you send out"---I have found much wisdom in those words.Quote:
Compassion maybe but not respect. That is earned.
You might consider the initial "gift" as an investment.
Paraphrased in Ecclesiastes 11:1 as casting one's bread upon the waters...:please:...BenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
I've tried that a few times but those damn ducks eat it all up :rolleyes2: :duck:Quote:
Originally Posted by Truckman
And the scraps I can save are too soggy to hold any peanut butter...:snack:...BenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
There's not a drunk, druggie, homeless person out there that has not received some sort of help. Once they get help are given a job they don't get anything else for free. to an extent. There is an army of people out there that are just plain lazy and don't want to be responsible for their own behavior. I lived with them off and on for years except I worked as did quite a for others. The majority didn't want to work. There are more people out there offering help than there are homeless. the most important thing we can do is find a place for those that don't want help. We need to quit allowing them to drag the people that want help down.
Triguy’s original post was aimed at his situation in California. Below is Victor Davis Hanson’s take on the deterioration of the situation there and his perceived causes. He likens it now to a third-world country. Not having any meaningful experience in the state, I wonder how close Hanson, a native Californian, got to the mark? There is no doubt the homeless mess has increased radically in the state, and there have to be reasons for that. I think Californians have invited it. Am I and Prof. Hanson wrong?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nfrastructure/
That article is like a hot air balloon---on its own it went nowhere.
The author does himself a terrible injustice. He writes at length about the multitude of problems and then wraps up the entire article in a few sentences and lays the blame at the feet of the suggested villains.
I have always followed a personal requirement, if I am going to be critical of something in an article then I will offer a solution as well.
The rise of the homeless has many causes---and the solution (if we decide to fix it) has even more facets.
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I don't know how anyone can talk about the homeless crisis without talking about the opioid crisis---they are deeply intertwined.
I just spent the morning transporting someone that lives in Oakland and is part of the City administration to boot. No his transport was not related to the addicts that we do transport there. HIPPA prevents me from saying anything else. We discussed the issue in depth. In a nutshell there are three or four major plays at stake. Drugs is part f it, Lack of higher education is another. Many long time residents with low paying jobs, The massive influx of highly paid tech workers from across the bay.
It has created a tidal wave that has swept the bottom out from under the low income worker forcing many into the streets. He pointed out where he lives and where his parents home is, and remarked that 10 years ago this was a majority African American neighborhood that today is minority African american and it now Anglo , Asian and Indian dominant
I went into the west end of of Oakland. The last time I was there it was run down houses, abandoned warehouses, rubble strewn fields. Today it is gleaming multi story condos, remodeled homes. Hell I couldn't afford to live there. The place looks great, major change from 8 years ago.
That's the issue. If we who have an income of over 200K/ yr can't afford to live there where does it leave folks near the poverty line? On the streets is where. All the industrial areas are lined with old RVs and tent cities. Many of these folks work the low end service jobs and yet there is no affordable place in the bay area to live on that income. I don't see the situation getting better in the near term.
This issue of "gentrification" where slums are "renewed and upgraded" is happening in cities all over the country. At first the city planners/administrations greeted it as a win win---they forgot about the people being forced out--often with no alternative housing.
I do believe this conundrum is now understood and cites are trying to compensate with low cost housing but they are all behind the curve.
some more regional info on the changing demographic. Oakland is in Alameda county as is Livermore where I live
Asians make up the largest racial group in Santa Clara and Alameda counties, according to new data by the U.S. Census Bureau.
The data released Thursday notes that 38.3 percent of Santa Clara County and 31.8 percent of Alameda County’s total population accounted for people of Asian backgrounds.
The 2019 projected population for Alameda County is more than 1.6 million, and more than 1.9 million for Santa Clara County.
A closer look at the largest demographic groups per county showed that Santa Clara County was composed of 38.3 percent Asians; 31 percent (White, non-Hispanic or Latino); 25.3 percent (Hispanic/Latino); 4.1 percent (two or more races); and 2.8 percent (Black).
For Alameda County the demographic breakdown was: 31.8 percent (Asian); 31.1 percent (White, non-Hispanic or Latino); 22.4 percent (Hispanic/Latino); 11.2 percent (Black); and 5.3 percent (two or more races).
No kidding, who whizzed in my cheerios.:dunno: Since I'm batching it I blame the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
We have been helping the homeless since I can remember and nothing has changed. The permissiveness that has been the feel good policy for the last who knows how long is a failure.
People are frustrated and are beginning to demand that these people make some effort to help themselves. Google Denver initiative 300 (i would post a link but cant on this ipad). 83 % of people in Denver voted against turning their city into a santuary.
You bums out there reading this on your taxpayer furnished devices - get the help you need and take the initiative to turn your life around.:geezer:
There I feel better.:flip:
Let it not be said, that we have not accomplished anything in this thread :cool:Quote:
There I feel better.
Not to throw cold water on an inspirational story, but it didn't sound likely that the elders would introduce a new pastor without already knowing who and exactly where he was...Snopes says they can't find a real Jeremiah Steepek, and that it likely never happened...However, some elements of the story may be true...:dunno:...BenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
Shame on me for not checking:doh:
Back to Remedial Investigative Reporting 101 in summer school for you, Dave...:nono:...BenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
I guess :(
Oakland project
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...e-14029362.php