After looking back over the Democratic primaries the debate some of the debacle some of the Odd Ideas I wonder why Governor Cuomo didn't get in the race. Does anyone have any ideas. Sincerely this is not a bait question.
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After looking back over the Democratic primaries the debate some of the debacle some of the Odd Ideas I wonder why Governor Cuomo didn't get in the race. Does anyone have any ideas. Sincerely this is not a bait question.
Because he didn't think he could beat Trump.
Would sleepy Joe debate Trump better than Cuomo?
I hope that's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy_Rightwing
Why would trump debate anyone? He has nothing to gain from doing so...
Gov. Cuomo is disliked in his state. His espoused programs are disliked universally. He would've been gone after the second [ dem nominating ] debate.
It is immaterial now after his unprecedented disaster in forcing Covid-19 carriers INTO elderly nursing homes in New York.
Wowzers... Mr Google doesn’t know about this.. is there any mainstream documentation?Quote:
Originally Posted by wacojoe
How many dozen articles do you want? Here’s a sampling —Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/nursin...ts-cuomo-says/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-yor...ls-11585228215
https://www.breitbart.com/health/202...irus-patients/
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/...rse-than-that/
http://longisland.news12.com/story/4...-vets-daughter
Last week a loved one of one New York nursing home patient who died of the virus Cuomo made sure ran rampant throughout the facility hoisted a giant banner on a NYC highway reading “Cuomo Killed My Mother!” The Governor changed the policy after 5000 NY nursing home residents died of the Covid-19 virus only after 6 weeks of the policy passed with nursing home administrators screaming for relief every day, yet no apology was forthcoming.
If your news sources did not prominently report this, you now know what they are worth.
Maybe he just doesn't want the job?
I'll ask the question again. What does Trump have to gain by debating anyone? Hell, every time he opens his mouth he is debating himself.... Someone please tell him to shut up and enjoy another 4 years.
I'm thinking he's going to delay the election until the beer virus is gone anyway. Can he do that?
There appears to be quite a spin on this story. Remember, the Nursing Homes are licensed medical facilities and one of their functions is to accept stable patients from hospitals allowing the patient to recuperate. If the nursing facility can not work with a contagious patient, how can the facility perform its tasks that it is licensed to perform.
WSJ requires a subscription..
From the NY Post.. they are quoting Cuomo.. “And the regulation is common sense: if you can’t provide adequate care, you can’t have the patient in your facility and that’s your basic fiduciary obligation — I would say, ethical obligation — and it’s also your legal obligation.”
From Breitbart.. "At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” California and New Jersey have also said that nursing homes should take in such patients. Homes are allowed to turn patients away if they claim they can’t care for them safely"
Yes, quite a spin.. My neighbor mentioned this subject today.. she heard it from a TV entertainer..
Spin.. Just my opinion, I could be wrong..
The results speak for themselves as Florida in which their governor banned nursing homes from accommodating Covid-19 patients suffer 1/7 of the deaths that did New York —
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...atients-entry/
New York was in a much different situation than Florida.. New York was hit so hard and so fast that they were foreseeing running out of hospital beds.
New York was storing bodied in refer trucks.. Maryland is storing bodies in an ice rink.. The North East has been hit hard.. real hard..
The Nursing Homes were being held to the tasking that they were licensed for, they could opt out by stating that they could not perform.. but that would have left them with empty beds and empty beds lose $$$.. part of the blame is the nursing homes performing poorly.
I group the news sources that you quote (WSJ requires a subscription) so they are excluded) in the same category as Huffington Post and MSNBC and Russia Today (they don't lie but they spin, super spin) .. big grain of salt required.. Huge grain..
We get Maryland News on local TV.. they are being hammered.. a lot of the country doesn't have a clue as to how bad it is there, and a big hunk of the worst Maryland County does their grocery shopping in Fairfax County Virginia (lucky us!)
Florida is not in the same situation as New York.. not even close..
Just my opinion.. I could be wrong..
And.. from the name calling and critical discussion by TV and radio entertainers.. The GOP is very afraid of Biden.. they would be terrorized my Coumo .. may be big changes in DC in November..
Nice try, Sandman, but there is no excuse for requiring nursing homes to accept Covid-19 positive patients even as their administrators were crying out that they had no PPE or facilities to deal with the influx. I will point out that the NYC facilities, including the Jacob Javitz Center 1000 bed emergence hospital and the Navy hospital ship never got more than marginal use at the same time the local nursing homes were stacking bodies. The policy was inexcusable and Cuomo’s reputation is toast for it. I posit that this was the singular most reprehensible public policy decision in recent memory.
Btw, the Pennsylvania health head issued a very similar policy with a similar result showing 80% of their recorded deaths coming from their nursing homes at the time when the head was assuring residents of the safety of nursing homes, but she was personally removing her own 95 year-old mother from one. Gov. Wolfe fully backs that policy too. Should be crispy burnt toast.
I see two issues..
First is hoe the health care system operates.. Nursing/rehab centers are licensed to provide a level of care that does not require hospitalization. Nursing/rehab centers are for profit businesses. Nursing/rehab centers must take certain patients , Medicaid, who pay a rate lower than their desired rate. but if the Nursing/rehab center cannot handle the scope of a particular patient , to quote your link..
From Breitbart.. "At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” California and New Jersey have also said that nursing homes should take in such patients. Homes are allowed to turn patients away if they claim they can’t care for them safely"
but.. an empty bed is not bringing $$$ in.. so to refuse a patient may have compounding financial repercussions , remember they are for profit.
Note: being married to someone who's BFF is in the middle of this $#it storm.. the system is broken.. many of the nursing/rehab centers can not perform to the levels that they claim that they can and are licensed to. Any decisions that Coumo made about health care were at the advice of his professional advisers..
Second .. the new trend that we vilify a threat.. Coumo scares the snot out of the GOP.. so.. he has a target on his back.. school yard name calling may follow..
Just my opinion.. i could be wrong..
the North East is a different world than a lot of the US.. here, masks are required for entry into Costco or Walmart or a Grocery.. by law .. stores are one out, one in.. also our local news has a lot of national news.. the network news people will appear on the set of our local news..
“(C)omponding financial repercussions” would be introducing a source of SARS-CoV-2 into your facility packed with old people with ill health...which is what happened. And it happened at the same time numerous New York nursing home administrators were writing the state bureaucrats begging them not to do this to them and telling them why. Your theory that they willingly packed their facilities with questionable residents to make a buck needs a lot more evidence in the face of the noted contemporaneous pleas against the rule.
But that’s the way the business works.. ER must treat emergencies who arrive at their waiting room.. Nursing/rehab facilities are for profit businesses and are licensed to provide a certain level of care.. and empty beds bring in no $$$ ..
And to quote your source.. From Breitbart.. "At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” California and New Jersey have also said that nursing homes should take in such patients. Homes are allowed to turn patients away if they claim they can’t care for them safely
It was not so simple for nursing homes in New York to refuse Covid-19 patients under the March rules. My reading of “stable patients” does not necessarily mean one who is Covid-19 free, yet they are forced to take them anyway or face having their license jerked unless they admit they are incompetent for patient care...an impossible conundrum for a nursing home business —
Note: this week New York changed their rules requiring nursing homes to accept Covid-19 patients or admit incompetence. Why?Quote:
...On March 25, New York became the first state to issue a blanket rule prohibiting nursing homes from denying admission or readmission to residents because they are infected with COVID-19, and banned the facilities from testing patients for the disease before they are admitted. (The state had already required all facilities to isolate COVID-positive patients and prohibited staff from moving between treating those who are infected and those who are not.)
“There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care,” the state said in its advisory, which requires “the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals.”
Cuomo has defended the policy in the face of rising objections, saying Thursday that facilities that did not follow the rules for managing COVID patients would be investigated by state health officials and the state’s attorney general, which could result in fines or the facility losing its license.
“They have to readmit COVID-positive residents, but only if they have the ability to provide the adequate level of care under Department of Health and CDC guidelines,” Cuomo said, referring to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“If they do not have the ability to provide the appropriate level of care, then they have to transfer that patient or they call the Department of Health, and the Department of Health will transfer that patient,” Cuomo added. (At Thursday’s briefing, state officials said they had not received any such requests.)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ients-n1191811
New Rules —
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus...announces.html
Hey I had a question in post #11. Pay attention. This is not about old people, this is about me :)
I thought the question was a rhetorical one as everyone knows you can’t tell Trump anything, and he will debate (argue) with a sign post...and “no” he can’t delay the election and has said he has no desire to do so multiple times, the last yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phillbo
I feel obligated to engage in the rare occurrence when Phil joins a political thread.
Thank you for playing.....
Nursing homes: Now you are in my playground so sit back shut up and listen. Nursing homes are where we send old people to die because the families don't want the inconvenience of dealing with them. That is reality. Two they are for profit and with the exception of high end facilities for the well to do financially they are **** hole human warehouses run as cheaply as possible to make as much money as they can get away with. The staff is underpaid, under trained, and facilities are understaffed because medicare/ medicaid pays zilch.
Hospitals are for profit too, they will keep someone only has long as their private insurance will dole out the big bucks for overpriced services. As soon as the cash flow stops 90 days for most PPO a week or so for medicare the hospitals dump them into the nursing homes.
The elderly are now the ping pong ball getting hit back and forth to the hospital and the nursing home to keep the high flow of profitable cash coming in as the money clock restarts with each "new admission" This continues until they die of go home.
The hospital share holders and the nursing home owners make money, everyone else gets shafted. Staff and patients alike in both facilities.
Covid is insidious in that it is infectious yet asymptomatic at the same time for up to 3 weeks. No one has ever dealt with this before. Now add in what we here in Alameda County have found. In the nursing homes staff, even the nurses (usually foreign schooled that no one else will hire) only have basic rudimentary training in infectious disease prevention. We had to imbed public heath nurses and paramedics to teach and enforce the regs to quell the outbreaks in our facilities. We keep those covid positive but not requiring a ventilator at the nursing home in a quarantine wing to minimize the spread and exposures.
We had the luxury of time, NY was learning on the fly, We looked at what worked and did not work from their trial and error under the onslaught. the wave hit us 4 week later. That four weeks bought us a lot. NY was ground zero, their population density is greater than anywhere else in the US. Don't bag on them with 20/20 hindsight
Give it a month and watch what happens to the numbers in the Liberated states. lets see how well their services hold up and how their infection rates go.
Yeah I'm pissed off, I'm stressed out. I'm on the front line of EMS every damn day and I am effing sick of the safe in their living room arm chair generals spewing Bull crap. I have lost friends, patients to this. it may kill me too
so unless you are helping support the front line people Police, Fire, EMS, Nurses, Docs, the low paid essential service workers in some manner I don't know how you look yourself in the mirror RANT OFF
Well said Tri. Scary part is what I left in your quote. 1-2 or more months of this is the scary part.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriGuy
Btw thanks for your service in this.
Amen, brother...:bowdown:...BenQuote:
Originally Posted by FredK
Excellent rant Eric:clap::clap:
I can't even find anything to argue about:maybe: ....and thank you :bowdown:
Eric.. thanks for all that you do..
And thanks for an excellent description of nursing/rehab facilities..
Can’t imagine trolling for the virus everyday in an ambulance in service to the public. That’s a strange kind of risk management. “I don’t know where we get those kind of guys.”
Joe thats why not everyone can be a cop, firefighter, medic, soldier etc. Some of us don't cut and run when it hits the fan.
Stay safe as you can...
Nice job, TG. You are appreciated.
Hunter