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....and now this!
Garrison Keillor, the creator and host of “A Prairie Home Companion” on Minnesota Public Radio, was fired Wednesday over “allegations of his inappropriate behavior with an individual who worked with him,” according to a statement from the radio network.
This is getting to be a little bit of "last man standing" :uhuh:
to paraphrase a line in Yamamoto's diary . ( From the actions and words of those in power in regards to 51% of the population): I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill her with a terrible resolve.
women are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore
It has become a witch hunt. Many more will succumb to the flames.....
Asking my Squaw if I've ever harassed her, she started out remember bla bla when we were going together. If she was serious that would be how many men would be in trouble because I don't have the foggiest idea what was done and said that long ago.
That's why I think a lot of us are guilty of some sort of harassment. Problem is some recognized it and did try to correct their attitudes and actions and other just continued on their way doing the same old thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy_Rightwing
Now that it's being talked about it shows the extent of the problem.
As to the political field idiots that's a toss up. Throw them out or give them a pass. What the worse part?:dunno::dunno::dunno:
The sad truth is that once the 1 800 attorneys get involved this whole deal will go to hell in a handbasket. There will be no credibility on any side of it. It will all be about settlements and money. That is very sad indeed.
Ye-Haw!!! another 3 billion people to tell me how evil and horrible I am!!!Quote:
I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill her with a terrible resolve.
women are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore
I always thought he was gay, come to think of it he could have been:uhuh:Quote:
Watch how Matt Lauer covered sexual harassment
Now that I have read the account of this event, if it was as described, it would warrant a coaching and an apology (and concurrence on the part of the woman) in my book but not likely a dismissal. I think we might be tottering on the verge of excess reaction at this point.
You must have read only the first public allegations toward Mr. Luar. Try these chronicled later by Variety, and I think you can see why immediate dismissal was executed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/mat...en-1202625959/
Then too, the original story was that he credibly was charged with "assaulting" an intern. "Assaulting" is a somewhat broad term used all the way from grabbing an arm or even threatening to do so up to actual rape. Maybe it's the lawyer in me, but they need to be more specific when using loaded terms like that.
I was not talking about Luar, I was commenting about Garrison Keillor.
From what I read, he did apologize and it was accepted. I don't agree with this one. She is simply riding the gravy train. Losing your job for accidentally touching a woman's back while giving her a hug she was participating in is a bit over the top in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Grubb
I like his attitude, he's taking it well. Almost like he does not care that he was fired. I'll be curious to see how much money she gets for having such a horrible crime as having her back touched during a hug.
#hetouchedmyback
Now I'm scared. I touch every woman's back that I hug.
That is in agreement with the details I read as well---there was an immediate apology and apparent acceptance and now long afterward it comes up again :shrug:
My comments are more directed at the time of the event, not long afterward.
this is what seems to be confusing to some but not at all to me. A woman knows the difference between accidental touching and sexual touching. Obviously if Mr Keillor realized at the time there was reason to apologize, he clearly did something to apologize for. If a woman suddenly finds herself in the very uncomfortable and shocking position of pretending her boss's hand isn't lingering on her in what is clearly an awkward testing of the waters.. Women caught off guard by this behavior and where it happens and from who it comes from.. are not prepared to rebuke, this is not a sweaty nightclub. So she assures him it's ok.. but it's not, she is alone and instinct tells her to smooth things over and get away. The shame and humiliation felt by a woman who suddenly realized she does not have the respect of this man... hurts and it festers, even as she tries to put it behind her and forget it.. The idea that someone you likely considered a mentor, sought approval and advice from, thought he respected your mind, was looking at you as a an option to f*ck is where the damage is. long term damage
I think there is an element of Mars and Venus comes in to play here. I clearly remember examples in our training that surprised me and others had a similar reaction.
It became obvious to me that the line that could not be crossed was closer than I imagined.
Training or not in this case it was apparently immediately obvious that the line had been crossed and an apology offered.
I continue to think this was not grounds for dismissal, but there might be much not in the public domain.
I hear what you are saying 2T but this one smells of being opportunistic.... If it was such a dramatic damaging hug, why wait until it's cool and profitable to make the allegations?
Just to be sure you know where I stand... This is the ONLY accusation I question out of the wrath of accusations coming out lately.
lets be clearer, its not cool to stand up and recount these experiencesQuote:
Originally Posted by Phillbo
By permission from the author ...
DON'T PRETEND TO BE SUDDENLY OUTRAGED!
One never knows the dark secrets one might keep to themselves. I liked Charlie Rose, but what he did has darkened my respect for him. Nevertheless, I feel that in a way he was a victim too. Our society has for way too long allowed misogynistic behavior to be accepted as normal. Allowed it to exist at a level that was impossible to fight against, by neither reason nor by law. Rose grew up during a time when such behavior was not only allowed, but sometimes even encouraged or expected. It is hypocrisy for everyone to be suddenly enraged about misogynistic behavior, we all KNEW it was going on, and yet no one stood up to it except for a few brave women who were often thrown to the media wolves.
I think what we are seeing today, with the outing of so many high profile men, is the backlash of what women have been feeling after the outcome of this election. For too long women have been fighting a system that has been against them because of religion, culture and their own biology to suddenly have everything they fought for threatened. For progress had been made on all these fronts with a great deal of patience, perseverance and sacrifice.
Women accepted the occasional ceding of acceptance in leadership roles, the membership in exclusive clubs and allowance of rights by male partners to participate in the workplace, as slow, careful stepping stones to a better and brighter future for them and their daughters.
And then comes Trump.
Suddenly, women recognize that everything they have worked so hard and disparately for, everything they have quietly and silently endured for so long to just manage one more step up the rungs of the business ladder, and everything they had hoped for in the future was just then shoved to the bottom of the heap with an election that clearly made it known that destroying the hopes and aspirations of half the population was the price we were willing to pay for the promise of a few jobs, a wall, more guns and repeal of "Obama" care. All promises that even if they could be carried out would have far reaching consequences down the road.
So yes, Charlie Rose will pay the price. And many others will follow - both men and women. DON'T PRETEND TO BE SUDDENLY OUTRAGED! Be proactive, stand up against misogyny, speak out!
Ahhh!:AHHH: The new "Bush Did It." Now, whatever Lefties find wrong, "Trump is responsible." That's the ticket.
don't make the mistake of thinking you can distract from this Sea Change
Trump was simply the finger in the dykeQuote:
Originally Posted by wacojoe
No actually Trump is just a hashtag for anything to symbolize anything negative to left-wing movements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polly Goodnight
As Obama was to the right wing. We are hosed as a country with our current inability to agree on anything politically.
I totally agree with all of that and understand exactly what your saying! The problem is we don't have a clue as to what either one of them was thinking or felt.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndthyme