Give it up or ?.

Yes Virginia we have a problem. I question the massed [ questionable ] consciousness of the local populous re the following.

With total control of the State Govt. Virginias Governor has stated that they are about to pass what most reasonable people would consider draconian gun laws. There have been several Counties that have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries and thus will not enforce those laws passed which would impinge on Constitutional Rights. Additionally, a Sheriff or two have stated that they will not only not enforce the laws but will swear in as deputies any gun owners who would be affected by such laws.

The Governor has indicated that if it is deemed necessary, he will call out the NATIONAL GUARD to enforce gun confiscation .

Is there any sane person that thinks such an action will not result in someone being shot ?.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ce-gun-control

The sanctuary county movement seems to be making a difference. The incoming governor and others have now backed down (at least for now) from gun confiscation. We will see how all of that works out. If it doesn't, yes, there will be loss of life. But, remember, law enforcement and the military are sworn to uphold the Constitution. We will also see how that works out.

The Supreme Court needs to get off their butts and make a definitive ruling about the 2nd. Otherwise, I can see a [s]civil war[/s]* revolution in the future.

And NO! Never give it up!

*Hmm, strike through code no longer works!

That article reads like a lot of BS---whining about something that hasn't happened.

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That maybe how it sounds, Dave, but I've read the same, or similar, information about the plans of the incoming democrats in a lot of places and non of them were brietbart, which I do not read.

Bloomberg has got his paws all over this Virginia deal. And Dave for the record this is not BS. Please do a little research before coming on here and condemning the credibility of someone's post. There are stories even in your "rags" of choice. Go read them.

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The Governor has indicated that if it is deemed necessary, he will call out the NATIONAL GUARD to enforce gun confiscation...

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The Governor is an idiot* who just may start a civil war (like there is such a thing as a "civil" war).

* Sorry about demeaning a politician, my friends. But, this guy should not be governor of the 7-11 on the corner.

Hunter

Many , mostly conservative , news sites are remarking on the proposed laws.

in the response areas, all of the keyboard commandos are calling for armed insurrection , as usual .

But you must remember, this is the same Gov. who wants post birth abortions. ie. make the baby comfortable while the mother decides whether or not to let it die.

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But, this guy should not be governor of the 7-11 on the corner.

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Agreed...He's grandstanding at the expense of the people he was elected to serve...That's also 2T's state...I'm anxious to hear whether she will support such a law, and be willing to turn in all her own guns...:arr:...Ben

Wowzers.. I’m in the middle of it and didn’t know it!!

Note.. I’m 16 miles west of the White House.. one mile east of NRA museum..

The Second Amendment Sanctuary movement is in full swing around us..

Have heard nothing about confiscation..

Aware of four goals by new Majority..

1.. one handgun purchase a week , we are a source for illegal handguns in the cities of the Northeast.. there was a one handgun a week law that was repealed by the current (GOP) majority.

2. Background checks for all ownership transfers.

3. Limit magazine size.

4. Red flag law.. is that the right term? If a person is having issues the court/sheriff can hold the household firearms until the issues are resolved.

I’ll do some local research and see what I can find out..

Background.. two years ago the State House of Delegates was tied and the last deciding seat was decided by pulling a name out of the hat

On edit: After the name drawn out of the hat.. the GOP acted like they had won a landslide..

And.. after the “mass shooting “ in Virginia Beach the governor called a special session of the General Assembly to work on gun issues.. the GOP majority “tabled” all proposed legislation and went home..

Thank you for bringing reality to this. :bowdown:

Been doing some research.. there is a lot of “fake news” (only this fake news is not from the mainstream media, this is from the far right media)..

The Virginia State Senate I a major player.. Saslaw is the Democratic leader and Petersen (my guy) is a key Committee chair.. these two and the senate as a whole are .. old school, dignified, slow moving, legal headed.. any changes will be slower, more middle of the road..

The governor can not be re-elected in Virginia.. he had been given a hard time by GOP (tabling and adjourning his special session after Virginia Beach) .. governor is just “playing” with GOP (and they have taken the bait..

Also.. recently elected democratic majority campaigned on sensible gun controls.. a few even mentioned not being NRA pawns, and they were elected a majority..

Governor is an Army Reserve Surgeon, lots of Iraq and Afghanistan time..

I think there is far more fake news from the far right sources than all the main street sources together. :shrug:

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From what Joe said, the obviously leftist governor may be doing nothing more than testing the waters for some future agenda in another political arena, since he knows re-election is not an issue...But stirring the pot thusly still costs his constituency in the loss of productive time...:2cents:...Ben

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I think there is far more fake news from the far right sources than all the main street sources together. :shrug:

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No, you don't believe that, I am shocked.

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From what Joe said, the obviously leftist governor may be doing nothing more than testing the waters for some future agenda in another political arena, since he knows re-election is not an issue...But stirring the pot thusly still costs his constituency in the loss of productive time...:2cents:...Ben

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I'm not sure this governor has a political future--he came very close to being forced out of office after a "black face" incident came to light.

Not to mention his statements of approval of “post birth abortion” processes...

Governor is not a natural politician.. his wife saved him in the “black face” incident, he was saying/doing things that were not helping him.

Our older Democrats are pretty middle of the road.. our joke is that in Massachusetts or California our Democrats would be republican..

The Governor is anArmy Reserve surgeon and has said his stands on assault rifles is based on his experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.. he has seen what they can do.. his support for medical care for the poor is based on his civilian doctor experience..

In the big picture, he is not an Uber liberal..

And his stand on abortion was that it should be a medical decision.. it has been “spun” into much more..

He shall be gone in 2 years.. but unless something changes, another Democrat will be elected..

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Imagine that :doh:

Probably the NYT:rolleyes2:

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It may have been spun, but I watched him with my own eyes and heard what he said with my own ears, and frankly it was not pretty. I don't give him a bye on his stated out of his own mouth belief regarding late term and after birth medical decisions. And for the record I am pro-choice.

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I think there is far more fake news from the far right sources than all the main street sources together. :shrug:

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It’s about this time someone comes along to remind of the years of touting the “Trump/Russia Collusion” insanity in Dave’s favorite birdcage liners along with their tens of thousands of stories selling that crap, and what has happened to it with the dashing it all has taken with the Mueller Report and the Horowitz revelations. Stay tuned for more revelations, btw, this centipede has many more shoes to drop. Those far right sources have been vindicated on the important thrust of the matters, while The Paper(s) Of Record is/are left sucking wind and their concoctions of the 1620 Project trying to convince us that the country is and always has been and still is racist to its core.

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It’s about this time someone comes along to remind of the years of touting the “Trump/Russia Collusion” insanity in Dave’s favorite birdcage liners along with their tens of thousands of stories selling that crap, and what has happened to it with the dashing it all has taken with the Mueller Report and the Horowitz revelations. Stay tuned for more revelations, btw, this centipede has many more shoes to drop. Those far right sources have been vindicated on the important thrust of the matters, while The Paper(s) Of Record is/are left sucking wind and their concoctions of the 1620 Project trying to convince us that the country is and always has been and still is racist to its core.

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If your not a Northeastern elitist or a West Coast liberal, remember you are a deplorable. Stay in your lane.

Your post is laughable Joe. The rabid right attacks the NYT and Washington post as a diversion from their own sins.

Add to that---the largest---by a long shot---source of fake news in this country happens to be your buddy on PA Ave.
No person or institution can equal that endless stream of crap.

There is bias on both sides. To imply that the "mainstream media" is unbiased is simply unbelievable. I dont understand why people from the northeast are so enamored with the NYT. Its definitely a regional/ideaology thing. :shrug:

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There is bias on both sides. To imply that the "mainstream media" is unbiased is simply unbelievable. I dont understand why people from the northeast are so enamored with the NYT. Its definitely a regional/ideaology thing. :shrug:

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I have never said that nor would I---I am fully aware of the warts of the Times---one of the reasons I subscribe to multiple papers. My point is that right left, middle matters not, they all require of the reader to apply appropriate judgement.

I fail to understand how the conservatives can maintain that the only bias is with "main street media"---that is simply ridiculous---we can start with Alex Jones and Glenn Beck---after moving on past trump.

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I have never said that nor would I---I am fully aware of the warts of the Times---one of the reasons I subscribe to multiple papers. My point is that right left, middle matters not, they all require of the reader to apply appropriate judgement.

I fail to understand how the conservatives can maintain that the only bias is with "main street media"---that is simply ridiculous---we can start with Alex Jones and Glenn Beck---after moving on past trump.

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Nobody has ever said that conservative news sources are not biased it's you that continues to say your vaunted newspapers and sources aren't biased and are always correct. You're the one that site's your sources as Superior to everybody else's. You're the one that does this. Time to look in the mirror.

I think everyone here knows media on both sides and even those who claim to be in the middle are biased and it shows in what they put on the street. No one here has denied that. Everyone has their favorite source(s), some, like me, read and watch both sides daily just to try to get to the truth. Good luck with that!

The point I'm trying to make is we all agree on media bias. Bickering about which media outlet is more, or less, biased gets us nowhere. This post is not aimed at any particular member, most of us are guilty of wasting energy and stomach acid on this fruitless topic.

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Your post is laughable Joe. The rabid right attacks the NYT and Washington post as a diversion from their own sins.

Add to that---the largest---by a long shot---source of fake news in this country happens to be your buddy on PA Ave.
No person or institution can equal that endless stream of crap.

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Yet the biggest story in decades, maybe ever, was and is the total fraud of the Trump/Russia Collusion hoax, which your papers foisted on the public for years. They should be abjectly ashamed and humiliated as each brick is pulled from their wall of lies, but on they blunder. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and your guys were endlessly dishing out poison...still are. All they are left with is some hoakum about the evil of investigating the corruption of a confessed crank ex-VP. Pathetic.

I told you as it was happening, and it fell on deaf ears.

If your premise is correct then find for me just one incident were I bought into the Russian collusion.

You all seem to forget a few basics here:

1. There is far more to the NYT---and all worthwhile newspapers--than the political and opinion sections. Case in point---my first stop with the Times is the crossword! My most valued section---Food.

2. The Times is one of the few remaining newspapers in this country that have investigative journalists. I dare say your hometown paper isn't overloaded with them. The Times happens to be my hometown paper.

3. Most news sources today sit around waiting for a "handout"---and act as if they are doing a wonderful job. On a a bit of a personal note I find it humorous that a gentleman of your caliber can criticize the Times in the morning and quote British Tabloids in the afternoon!

4. I also subscribe to--and read the WSJ which happens to be on the other side of the road. Most of my reading of the "political news" at very least begins with the WSJ.

I am certain that few here, who want to criticize the Times for all kinds of alleged "misdemeanors and high crimes", don't even subscribe to a daily newspaper but instead rely on newtainment TV for their ready made gruel. The favorite child of the right---Fox--has exactly one worthwhile functioning journalist in Chris Wallace---you can scrap the rest and miss nothing of value.

I have no need to defend the Times--in fact I am reasonably sure that I have a far better insight than does anyone else here---most of whom, have never had a critical thought of their own, and are only parroting the rhetoric of the rabid right talking heads. The Times has value in our society--as does every "working" newspaper, God help us if we ever sink to being "served" by the likes of the singular lens of the tabloids and newtainment sources.

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The point I'm trying to make is we all agree on media bias. Bickering about which media outlet is more, or less, biased gets us nowhere. This post is not aimed at any particular member, most of us are guilty of wasting energy and stomach acid on this fruitless topic.

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I agree with just about everything you said in this post. Your acknowledgement that the NYT is your hometown paper is what I was saying when I observed it as regional. FWIW, I have never seen an accurate/unbiased representation of my neighborhood in its pages. Pretty much everone I hang with (unprofessionally) are deplorables. I dont know a single person who thinks Alex Jones or Glenn Beck speak for them in any way. Only the left seems to consider them important or serious.:shrug:

My use of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck was, admittedly, somewhat overreaching for most people. I did that to make a point--not to inflict a scar.