Violent fringe

Andy Meijer, new Congress critters, has purchased body armor in response to threats for his vote to impeach Trump.

Several of his colleagues say that their vote against impeachment was in response to fear of violence from their constituents.

Democrats showed their lunatic, violent fringe this summer.

Both parties minimize, rationalize, equivocate and strain at gnats while swallowing camels. They parse words when the evidence is before them.

They need to stop worrying about losing the next election and expel the lunatics from their party. Bargains with the devil rarely end well.

Completely agree both parties are using everything bad going on to their political advantage and the people be damned.

Some of the problem is the fact that members of Congress may have been involved with the insurrection.

For example, Lauren Boebert, R-CO, tweeted out the location of Nancy Pelosi during the riot. She is facing backlash not only from her colleagues but from officials back home.

This member, along with some other newly-elected members, seem to be more interested in provoking spectacle than addressing issues. For example, Biden is not even President but Q-nut Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-GA, has plans to introduce articles of impeachment today.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Some of the problem is the fact that members of Congress may have been involved with the insurrection.

For example, Lauren Boebert, R-CO, tweeted out the location of Nancy Pelosi during the riot. She is facing backlash not only from her colleagues but from officials back home.

This member, along with some other newly-elected members, seem to be more interested in provoking spectacle than addressing issues. For example, Biden is not even President but Q-nut Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-GA, has plans to introduce articles of impeachment today.

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I believe her actual tweet was that “the speaker has left the chambers”. She says it was a description of what was occurring.

I got to watch her campaign. I would hardly characterize her as the violent fringe. :doh:

On edit: the tweet says “the speaker has been removed from the chambers”. Removed is now a place.

"She's not there, keep searching for her" is another way to look at it.

Giving directions to the mob really isn't a good look for a member of Congress any way you slice it. Especially when members of Congress seem to have given tours of the underground tunnels the day before to people who breached the Capitol the next day.

Even worse when you consider the filing by the DOJ today:

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Federal prosecutors offered the most chilling description yet of rioters who seized the Capitol last week, writing in a new court filing that the intention was "to capture and assassinate elected officials."

The view was included in a memo seeking to keep Jacob Anthony Chansley, who rallied people inside the Capitol using a bullhorn, in detention. According to Capitol Police information included in the filing, Chansley was notable for his headdress, face paint and carrying of a six-foot spear.

"Strong evidence, including Chansley's own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government," government prosecutors wrote.

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Tweeting advice about where to look for the Speaker is bad juju when people are searching for her to murder her. Parsing words won't help her. Her own party officials back home are looking to censure her about it, so it is odd to see someone sticking up for her.

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The Boogaloo Bois Prepare for Civil War.

As the FBI warns of violence, anti-government extremists are ready to get in on the chaos.

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Link to an interesting ARTICLE

I wonder if I have to give up my Hawaiian shirts because of this? I like them in the summer because they are great at concealing sidearms.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Even worse when you consider the filing by the DOJ today:



Tweeting advice about where to look for the Speaker is bad juju when people are searching for her to murder her. Parsing words won't help her. Her own party officials back home are looking to censure her about it, so it is odd to see someone sticking up for her.

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Interesting. At best your post was factually incorrect, at worst an attempt to deceive.

I believe that our healing needs to start with the truth. I chose your post to start with.:rolleyes:

Mike all I can say to that is

Back off, Boo-ga-loo, I said,
Back off, Boo-ga-loo, come on,
Back off, Boo-ga-loo, Boo

Curt, healing doesn't start out by calling me a liar.

You see her actions one way. Those who were there, her own Republican colleagues, see it it differently. They berated her for her actions in a caucus conference call Monday. Her own Republican party officials in Colorado want her investigated.

After a while, you have to wonder if it isn't everybody else that is out of step. It might be you.

The Denver Post and the Steamboat Pilot and Today (great name for a newspaper!) have added their voices to calls for an investigation of her actions. She was told directly and several times not to use social media ny the Sergeant at Arms responsible for lawmaker safety while in lockdown. She refused to comply.

Her actions need to be investigated. If it turns out that she is just a grandstanding idiot, she's probably in the right job.

Hah! Her office put out a statement today that she "never disclosed secure locations". Very careful wording there. Someone's looking for a fig leaf.

Maybe she's getting the message that she's gone too far. https://www.chieftain.com/story/news...ay/4175409001/

A bipartisan group of elected officials from her own district is asking that, because of her actions on January 6 and her deliberate provocations since then, that she either not be seated as a representative or not be given any committee assignments.

The article indicates a recall movement is being organized.

She just pissin' everybody off today.

I wonder if I actually need anyone to post in response. I know that is the dynamic bulletin boards go for but the more I post, I wonder if that's really necessary.

Lauren Boebert has announced that she will carry her Glock to & from the capital.. DC Chief of Police then announced that if she was seen by Metropolitan Police armed off of capital grounds it could be an embarrassing situation as she would be arrested and charged.

Time will tell..

Just for clarification,

While in the environs of the Capitol, she is allowed to have a firearm only as long as it is securely wrapped and in a locked case. She is not allowed to have one on the floor of the House.

Of course, Rep. Press Brooks didn't need no stinkin' gun when he caned Sen. Charles Summer into a coma in 1856.

Kevin, your post stated that she “tweeted out the location “. She did not do that. If you meant to say that her intent was to tweet out the location, you should have said so. I shouldn’t have to lecture the smartest guy in the room.

But yeah, she gets lots of attention around here since we sent her to Washington. We even have protests and everything. :rolleyes:

She is who I point to when making the argument that the election wasn’t fixed.

Boebert tweeted that Pelosi was no longer in the Chamber. That is at the least narrowing the number of places the mob had to look for her. Perhaps it is more accurate to say Boebert is tweeting ABOUT Pelosi's location. A mouse could starve on that difference.

Most reports say she tweeted the Speakers "whereabouts". Any way you slice it, she should not have done it, it gave help to the mob, and she was told specifically NOT to do it, for that exact reason. She is getting major blowback from both Republican and Democratic colleagues, Republican and Democratic elected officials from her own district, her constituents and newspapers. She put her foot in it, fer sure.

But AOC is my state's cross to bear. I wonder how these people get elected.

While you are at it you can fold, possibly the biggest nut job, in the House into this pot: Marjorie Taylor Greene from Ga.

How you ask could such a thing be elected---running unopposed will do it every time :shrug:

It's a damn sad day when the likes of AOC is displaced at the top of the nut pile---but she is no more than a has been at this point :nono:

BTW, did anyone hear Matt Gaetz's rant at the impeachment hearing? Another performance artist.

Who spends a lot of time with a comb, I must say! His hair was more coiffed than Edd Byrnes from Sunset Strip.

One of trump's legacies---to my great consternation, is to have created a model for political liars---lie big and lie always---and if you repeat them often enough there will be those who just give in---and begin to believe the unbelievable :whyme:

I don't know about you, but it has been exhausting to be presented by constant obvious lying, by everyone in this administration. The relentless tattoo of lying that underlaid my every interaction with this administration eventually became numbing. Big lies, little lies - after a while, you just tune these people out, figuring that whatever they are saying, they are lying. All of them.

Maybe that's how they get away with it. You just can't have the outrage centers in your brain stimulated constantly without becoming inured.

The sadist part of this thread is the fact that some of y'all seam to think that the Trump administration people are the only ones to lie.

Every one in the political arena lies. Some BiG some small but they all lie.

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Originally Posted by Independent Voter

The sadist part of this thread is the fact that some of y'all seam to think that the Trump administration people are the only ones to lie.

Every one in the political arena lies. Some BiG some small but they all lie.

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I have no illusions about that IV. I spent my life working for and around politicians.

Trump just took it to a whole new realm. A documented 30,529 as of 1/13/2021. No other politician comes close. In one day during the election cycle, he told over 500. Up until this time last year, he had about 16,500 lies. That's 15 lies per day. This past year, he ramped up to 38 per day. In that same time period, he played golf 308 times over that same time period, so the actual number of lies per working day is larger than the average per day, clocking in at an overall lies per day over his entire Administration of about 27.

Kind of the difference between a smallpox outbreak and an epidemic. Equating the two minimizes Trump's unique contributions to public mendacity, which, given his desire to always be the biggest and mostest, he might not appreciate. Heck, his own lawyers would not let him sit for a deposition with the Mueller group - they said privately that they were convinced that Trump lies as naturally as breathing and sworn testimony would be a catastrophe.

Politicians are liars and egotists but there ain't no one in Trump's league. They retired his number on that score.

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Originally Posted by Independent Voter

The sadist part of this thread is the fact that some of y'all seam to think that the Trump administration people are the only ones to lie.

Every one in the political arena lies. Some BiG some small but they all lie.

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I keep being presented with this "everyone is a sinner" defense. It is lame at best. Yes, everyone lies at some point, I lie at times. At times, lying is the best alternative. As an example, offering an apology, even when it isn't heart felt, can be a lie offered simply to reach peace.

The lies of this administration and trump in particular have exceeded anything we have ever seen---trump lies even when there is no need to lie---there are those who have kept count of his lies---the number is staggering. To make this pattern lying even worse, it has permeated throughout his administration. Not only is it pervasive, it is the norm with this band of deviates.

Those who could or would not adopt the habit have been sent packing. trump is completely without ethics, morality or even civilized boundaries--there are no limits to his dishonesty.

Now we are at the end of this tragic comedy and we find ourselves confronting possibly the cruelest coordinated lie of all regarding the vaccine.

The lying of this administration long ago reached the level of a national disgrace---and we saw the damage brought on by the unending lies regarding the election---and it's deadly results. trump has blood on his hands. He duped those poor souls into doing his bidding.

I know you are sincere IV---and I respect that, but at the same time I cannot sit here and ignore comments that I believe are so terribly wrong---trump lies at a magnitude never before seen in the presidency---and people have and will die as a result.

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Originally Posted by Independent Voter

The sadist part of this thread is the fact that some of y'all seam to think that the Trump administration people are the only ones to lie.

Every one in the political arena lies. Some BiG some small but they all lie.

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I actually documented one falsehood being passed along by one ofour members in this very thread*. What do I win?:hyper:

*although buried in one of the excessively verbose denials was the admission that the falsehood was just being passed on from various media sources.:bwaha:

I edited a few things to better reflect my intentions. I did not intend to call anyone a liar and got a little sloppy. My bad.

So you ARE calling me a liar.

Well, that pretty much establishes the nature of our future interactions. I had hoped that we could at least be polite too each other. I now ken your disdain for me personally and will act accordingly.

Rarely these days is the truth an easy subject to determine. Mostly the truth is in the mind of the beholder. Whether one is a liar is much more difficult to determine in light of the difficulty of determining the truth.

With where this "discussion" is trending. It would seem appropriate to leave this here

Very interesting opinion piece by a professor that teaches a class on George Orwell and our current politicians

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/opini...ers/index.html

Kevin, I didn’t say you are a liar. As I sorta acknowledged in a previous post, it was probably just a falsehood being indiscriminately passed around.

This thread does point out one thing that’s wrong with todays arguments. Regardless of a little white lies origin, people become invested in defending it. Instead of arguing about what they actually said, we end up arguing to the death over what an inconsequential politician may or may not have meant in something quoted secondhand by “people” we never met.

I believe it was you who 20 years ago here made some pretty good “instructions for internet argument” posts about the various debate tactics employed, and of the various kinds of deceptive tactics. I recall there being an explanation of all of the different kinds of “lies”, all the way from little white ones to ginormous trumpesqe ones. I’m surprised I can still remember that far back, and maybe I am misremembering.:shrug:

To avoid any confusion, my comments in this thread pertain only to what my congress critter elect said. I get bombarded constantly in my local news about her, and see pretty much every word she utters blared across some headline.

I hope I don’t find myself trying to defend a trump lie. I don’t think I have tried except maybe in a hypothetical situation.

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Originally Posted by CactusCurt

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I believe it was you who 20 years ago here made some pretty good “instructions for internet argument” posts about the various debate tactics employed, and of the various kinds of deceptive tactics. I recall there being an explanation of all of the different kinds of “lies”, all the way from little white ones to ginormous trumpesqe ones. I’m surprised I can still remember that far back, and maybe I am misremembering.:shrug:

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Damn it has been almost 20 years we been able to discuss things. Tip of the hat to Mike for keeping it all alive. And a big thanks to all those that joined in the discussions both those that are still here and alive and the members we have lost along the way.

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Originally Posted by FredK

Damn it has been almost 20 years we been able to discuss things. Tip of the hat to Mike for keeping it all alive. And a big thanks to all those that joined in the discussions both those that are still here and alive and the members we have lost along the way.

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Best description I've seen on the Web today. Outstanding.

Hunter